evyscerated said: Ok I don't know if my previous message was sent or not, so in doubt I will repeat x). HEY <3 So I was saying that I was both a Destiel and a Wincest shipper, so this ask is absolutely not made to stirr up crap, I just wanted to point out that as I and a lot of people understood it, Dean and Sam did not share a heaven in that episode. They were allowed to peek at each other's heavens thanks to Ash, but they were not /together/ in that heaven. If I can epress myself right. Have a fab night ! :)
Then you and this so called ‘a lot of people’ need re-watch that episode, darling.
Dean and Sam were together in Heaven long before Ash stumbled upon them and brought them to his roadhouse. They were ALREADY together when he came to them. He did not ‘let them peak’ at anything, they were literally in heaven together before he even came to them when they ran off together into the woods to get away from Zachariah.
AFTER finding them already together and bringing them to his roadhouse, he let them know that sometimes people share a heaven, in the special case of being soulmates. He looked at both of them pointedly so as to let them know why they happened to be in Heaven together instead of in different Heavens (that DO NOT cross paths unless you’re Ash and have figured out how because you’re a genius), and they then looked at each other in a ‘huh, so that’s why’ fashion.
They didn’t even protest it, it just was what it was. It made sense to the boys, and it made sense to the rest of us watching the episode. Sam and Dean are canonically soulmates.
This is a hard one to get around. Why are people still trying?
Right? For the life of me, I cannot understand the difficulty with which some fans have comprehending the narrative of “Dark Side of the Moon.” It’s been explained over and over, from Zachariah messing with their “greatest hit” memories to the two of them ending up in the same garden at the end, and they still argue that the boys don’t share a heaven. I guess you can’t convince the willfully ignorant.
Jensen Ackles speaking to fans at the SDCC14 Supernatural Signing.
Anonymous said: Why would you romanticize codependency?
Have you never watched an episode of Supernatural in your life?
If you have, then you already know.
The show romanticizes codependency for me —from canon soulmates in s5 with a shared heaven, to the show’s creator Kripke calling the show the ‘epic love story of Sam & Dean Winchester’, to Dean and Sam letting anyone else around them die if it means saving their precious, precious brother—
…The show romanticizes the hell out of codependency.
I just acknowledge it and embrace it instead of deny it~ Because at least my ship —unlike Destiel and it’s romanticized rape of Jimmy Novak’s body— is based in love, devotion, and beautifully mutual consent.
Romantic? Yes. Codependent? I don’t think so. Sam and Dean don’t enable each other in their negative behavior for the most part. Dean doesn’t just let Sam continue drinking demon blood. Sam tries to stop Dean from using the First Blade, tries to get him to leave it behind. Any number of times they try to stop one another from negative behavior. I would argue that they are enmeshed, which is different. It’s as though they don’t know where they end as individuals and the other begins.
Gadreel’s “who farted?” face
The leviathan are apparently one of the things that Carver chose to not deal with when he took over as show runner. Despite Crowley saying that Sam would have to hunt the rest down, we have seen any on earth — only in purgatory.
There’s also the pesky issue of Sam and Dean being fugitives in season seven that’s been ignored. Their faces were plastered all over the news, but no appears to recognize them in seasons eight and nine.
I wonder where the storyline was supposed to go before Carver stepped in and made brother conflict the main storyline — and the angel war. *yawn*
The concept of the alpha monsters is another of the myth ideas that Carver dropped when he came on board. He said not too long ago that he felt the mythology had become too complicated under Gamble. Apparently, the writers have a hard enough time keeping up with details from the early seasons. I guess making reapers into angels streamlines things.